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I do not think anyone should believe they could not be deceived, at least
initially by a truly competent deceiver.
The brash loud approach is easily seen through. The shy diffident
disinterested slow soft sell is almost impossible to pick early on in the
scam.
After a lifetime of involvement in Finance and Investment I have encountered
many scammers but only two truly competent ones.
Most of us are unwilling to apply cross-examination to the abusive level
necessary to truly expose the highly plausible and incredibly skilful puff
delivered competently in an apparently independent and plausible manner
mixed with actual verifiable facts.
They can be so skilful that even when you say no, you are left with the
residual doubt that the investment proposal might have worked
Fredd
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I can truthfully say that I have never fallen for any scams,
I can't believe that there are people out there who are silly enough to
believe that any scammer is really, really interested in making them
rich!.
[sigh] I suppose they deserve what they get ...
Intelligent and cautious people can fall for scams if, for one reason or
another, the desire to obtain money is strong. That desire can take over
the brain and drive out all caution and good sense and become an
obsession. The disordered brain then can grasp any suggestion of a way to
get rich quick like a ravenously hungry dog leaping upon a piece of meat.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: Re: New Way of Set-n-Forget-It Investing |
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"Fredd" <rtmj_601@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:64-dnd-WhJrAY5PbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@adnap.net.au...
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Most of us are unwilling to apply cross-examination to the abusive level
necessary to truly expose the highly plausible and incredibly skilful puff
delivered competently in an apparently independent and plausible manner
mixed with actual verifiable facts.
They can be so skilful that even when you say no, you are left with the
residual doubt that the investment proposal might have worked
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Good point. Most people recognize that the best defense is simply to ask
yourself: "If his scheme is so good, why is he wasting his time selling it
instead of using it?" or "Why is he letting me in on this?" But the victims
do not ask these logical questions. They are so caught up in the belief that
wealth is within reach that they tune out the negative evidence. Some say to
themselves: "I am special. He is a good guy. He thinks I am a good guy too.
He is letting me in on this opportunity because he is so nice, and thinks I
am so nice." |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: Re: New Way of Set-n-Forget-It Investing |
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"Fredd" <rtmj_601@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message news:64-dnd-WhJrAY5PbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@adnap.net.au...
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I do not think anyone should believe they could not be deceived, at least initially by a truly competent deceiver.
The brash loud approach is easily seen through. The shy diffident disinterested slow soft sell is almost impossible to pick early
on in the scam.
After a lifetime of involvement in Finance and Investment I have encountered many scammers but only two truly competent ones.
Most of us are unwilling to apply cross-examination to the abusive level necessary to truly expose the highly plausible and
incredibly skilful puff delivered competently in an apparently independent and plausible manner mixed with actual verifiable
facts.
They can be so skilful that even when you say no, you are left with the residual doubt that the investment proposal might have
worked
Fredd
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To cut a very long story short, you are telling us, " I am a brainless fool easily deceived by get-rich-quick merchants"
Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a
degree panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: Re: New Way of Set-n-Forget-It Investing |
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"Don" <dwzimm@telus.net> wrote in message news:AZEPh.33181$__3.26286@edtnps90...
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"Fredd" <rtmj_601@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message news:64-dnd-WhJrAY5PbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@adnap.net.au...
Most of us are unwilling to apply cross-examination to the abusive level necessary to truly expose the highly plausible and
incredibly skilful puff delivered competently in an apparently independent and plausible manner mixed with actual verifiable
facts.
They can be so skilful that even when you say no, you are left with the residual doubt that the investment proposal might have
worked
Good point. Most people recognize that the best defense is simply to ask yourself: "If his scheme is so good, why is he wasting
his time selling it instead of using it?" or "Why is he letting me in on this?" But the victims do not ask these logical
questions. They are so caught up in the belief that wealth is within reach that they tune out the negative evidence. Some say to
themselves: "I am special. He is a good guy. He thinks I am a good guy too. He is letting me in on this opportunity because he is
so nice, and thinks I am so nice."
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha ...
You are obviously one of the poor fools just asking to be fleeced!
Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a
degree panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: (Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive sm |
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(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and
health, Next up, prominent DENTIST discusses faults in modern Physics
String Theory.
"BONZ0" <bon...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
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Regards
B0NZ0
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a
degree panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
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(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and
health, Next up, prominent DENTIST discusses faults in modern Physics
String Theory.
========================Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00
Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.
========================Philip Morris
Fred Seitz
Date: 31 Aug 1989
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2023266534.html
PHILIP MORRIS COMPANIES INC.
INTER-OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
120 PARK AVENUE, NEW YORK, NY 10017
TO: Bill Murray
FROM:Alexander Holtzman
Subject: Fred Seitz
DATE: August 31, 1989
I spoke to Bill Hobbs about arranging an appointment for you with Dr.
Fred Seitz, former head of Rockefeller University and the principal
scientific advisor to the R.J. Reynolds medical research program. Bill
told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational
to offer advice.
Bill said that he would strongly recommend your speaking to Dr. Alfred
G. Knudson Jr. of the CTR Scientific Advisory Board. I asked Bill to
proceed with arrangements to introduce you to Knudson and he said he
would do so and get back to you or me.
~ Alexander Holtzman
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025528264.html
Philip Morris
Environmental Fear-Mongers Exposed
Date: 19930428/P
Length: 1 page
Mr. Singer. professor qf envronmertal sciences at the University of
Virginia. directs the Washfngton-based Science and Environmenta Policy
Project.
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144055-4061.html
Philip Morris
Warming Theories Need Warning Label
Date: 19920600/P
Length: 7 pages
BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS
A WARMING THEORIES NEED WARNING LABEL BY FRED SINGER The debate over
global warming has been more hype than solid fact.
========================Philip Morris
The Ozone Scare: Policy by Press Release
Date: 19920427/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144038.html
By S. Fred Singer
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144105.html
Philip Morris
Great Hoax on Asbestos Finally Ends
Date: 19921115/P
Length: 1 page
By Michael J. Bennett
Michael J. Bennett, journalist and author of "The Asbeslos Racket: An
Envir onmental Parable", is affiliated with the Washington-based
Science & Environmental Policy Project.
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Arlington, VA 22201 ·(703) 527-0130 · .
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144041.html
Philip Morris
Following Sheep Over the Edge
Date: 19920810/P
Length: 1 page
Following sheep over the edge By PATRICK J. MICHAELS
Michaels. associate professor of environmental sciences at the
University of Virginia. is associated witt the Science & Environmental
Policy Project, Washfngton, D.C.
========================Philip Morris
Meaner Growns the Greenery
Date: 19921209/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144010.html
Candace C Crandall is executive director of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project, which monitors the use of scientific
data in developing federal envi ronmental policy.
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Arlington, VA 22201 ·(703) 527-0130 · .
========================Philip Morris
Earth Summit Will Shackle the Planet, Not Save It
Date: 19920219/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144017.html
Mr. Singer, professor of atmospheric physics at the University of
Virginia, directs the Science and Environmental Policy Project in
Washington.
========================Philip Morris
N403
Date: 19950420/P
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2048551242.html
GOVERNMENTS,, particularly those in Asia, should rethink their
environment-related regulations to avoid the potentially damaging
effects of ill-advised envoronmental protection policies.
This call was made by Professor Fred Singer, director of the Science
and Environmental Policy Project in Washington, and Michael Fumento,
leading envirnmental journalist and lawyer for the United States
Commission on Civil Rights.
Prof. Singer said the US government, through the efforts of certain
lawmakers might back out this year from key international
environmental pacts...
========================Philip Morris
Scientific Myths Ride in on Hurricane Winds
Date: 19920920/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144018.html
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Adington, VA 22201 .(703) 527-0130
Scientific myths ride in on hurricane winds. By PATRICKJ, MICHAELS
Patrick J. Michaels is a professor of environmental sciences at the
University of Virginia, is affiliated with The Science and
Environmental Policy Project in Washington.
========================Philip Morris
Scientists Ripped As Alarmists in Ecology Warning
Date: 19921121/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144034.html
Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service. - - Appeared in: St. Louis
Post-Dispatch Washington Times and other newspapers
"It's the usual hype we've come to expect from the Union of Concerned
Scientists," said Candace Crandall, executive director of the Science
and Environmental Policy Project, a research group. ...
S. Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy
Project, said ... the group might have been trying to offset the
Heidelberg Allpeal, a statement signed by 1,800...
Singer said that the appeal amounted to a "revolt by scientists tired
of seeing science constantly politicized and mistreated."
========================Philip Morris
Date: 12 May 1993
Length: 2 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046989059-9060.html
The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition TASSC
Dr. Richard Lindzen Mass Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts
Avenue Bldg. 54-1720 Cambridge, MA 02139
========================Philip Morris
Date: Mar 1991 (est.)
Length: 6 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025528294-8299.html
3) Michael Gough, program manager for biological applications for the
Congressional Office of Technology Assessment -- Regarding the EPA's
lowering the confidence interval from 95 to 90 percent, Michael Gough
says, "You cannot run science with the government changing the rules
all the time. "
13) Dr. Fred Singer -- University of Virginia. Charged that the EPA-
supported theories of global warming and global ozone depletion are
not backed up by the scientific evidence. Has charged that several
major government studies that found information contrary to
"politically correct" issues (acid rain), was ignored. At a Consumer's
Research seminar in D.C. that dealt with official regulations
frequently have little basis in scientific fact, being instead driven
instead by political/social factors. "The tendency not only to misuse
science but to ignore it is very strong" in policy decisions
concerning global warming, ozone depletions, and acid rain. Has spoken
on issue of cost of other environmental problems. Singer was director
of the Washington Institute for Values in Public Policy, on leave from
Uva's department of environmental science.
26) Michael J. Bennett The Asbestos Racket: An Environment Parable
(Merrill Press) -- Bennett's meticulously researched saga of America's
plunge into the fantasy world of environmental junk science captures
the essence of the costly tragedy that befell the US during the great
asbestos scare. In formulating the nation's asbestos policy, the EPA,
aided and abetted by Congress, systematically ignored science. The
series of articles in the Detroit News on which much of the book is
based was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. (EPA Watch, July 31, 1992)
(202) 488-7692
29) Dr. Patrick Michael, Uva Dept of Environmental Science,
Climatologist, global warming issues are not backed by science, on
Board of Advisors of American Policy Center\EPA Watch (804) 924-0549,
co-authored an article with David E. Stooksbury, also of Uva.
30) Dr. Bruce Ames, Biochemist, University of California at Berkeley
(friend of Michael Bennett)
36) Jim Tozzi, Director of Washington-based Multinational Business
Services Inc., has cited problems with EPA risk assessment policy, in
particular, risk assessment guidelines for non-cancer health effects
and criteria for inferring causation from epidemiologic data. Tozzi's
firm represents a number of companies interested in the risk
assessment issue.
3 Richard Lindzen, Robert Balling, William Nierenberg, Fred Seitz,
Patrick Michaels, Fred Singer, Sherwood Idso -- scientists opposed to
global warming issues, as cited by Peter Samuel.
40) Michael Fumento of Investor Business Daily who does write about
these issues.
44) Candace Crandall -- Executive Vice President of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project (SEPP). She has published extensively on
junk science issues in the past. Crandall was the Director of
Communications for the Center for Strategic and International Studies
before joining SEPP. The primary focus of SEPP is to document the use
of scientific data in the development of federal environmental policy.
SEPP is an independent, non-profit research group that relies on
private funding. It will co-sponsor a conference with George Mason
University in May on scientific integrity in the political process.
Crandall has arranged for a number of prominent scientists to be
participants, including Dr. Bernard Davis of Harvard University and
Sir William Mitchell of Oxford University. Crandall is Dr. Fred
Singer's wife.
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025802450-2451.html
Philip Morris
Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program
930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington,
D.C.
Date: 19930525/D
Length: 2 pages
========================Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00
Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.
========================Philip Morris
Fred Seitz
Date: 31 Aug 1989
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2023266534.html
PHILIP MORRIS COMPANIES INC.
INTER-OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
120 PARK AVENUE, NEW YORK, NY 10017
TO: Bill Murray
FROM:Alexander Holtzman
Subject: Fred Seitz
DATE: August 31, 1989
I spoke to Bill Hobbs about arranging an appointment for you with Dr.
Fred Seitz, former head of Rockefeller University and the principal
scientific advisor to the R.J. Reynolds medical research program. Bill
told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational
to offer advice.
Bill said that he would strongly recommend your speaking to Dr. Alfred
G. Knudson Jr. of the CTR Scientific Advisory Board. I asked Bill to
proceed with arrangements to introduce you to Knudson and he said he
would do so and get back to you or me.
~ Alexander Holtzman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: (Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive sm |
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"BONZ0" <bon...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
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Regards
B0NZ0
degree panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences
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(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and
health, Next up, prominent ROOFER discusses faults in modern Quantum
Mechanics Theory.
========================Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00
Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.
========================Philip Morris
Fred Seitz
Date: 31 Aug 1989
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2023266534.html
PHILIP MORRIS COMPANIES INC.
INTER-OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
120 PARK AVENUE, NEW YORK, NY 10017
TO: Bill Murray
FROM:Alexander Holtzman
Subject: Fred Seitz
DATE: August 31, 1989
I spoke to Bill Hobbs about arranging an appointment for you with Dr.
Fred Seitz, former head of Rockefeller University and the principal
scientific advisor to the R.J. Reynolds medical research program. Bill
told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational
to offer advice.
Bill said that he would strongly recommend your speaking to Dr. Alfred
G. Knudson Jr. of the CTR Scientific Advisory Board. I asked Bill to
proceed with arrangements to introduce you to Knudson and he said he
would do so and get back to you or me.
~ Alexander Holtzman
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025528264.html
Philip Morris
Environmental Fear-Mongers Exposed
Date: 19930428/P
Length: 1 page
Mr. Singer. professor of envronmertal sciences at the University of
Virginia. directs the Washfngton-based Science and Environmenta Policy
Project.
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144055-4061.html
Philip Morris
Warming Theories Need Warning Label
Date: 19920600/P
Length: 7 pages
BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS
A WARMING THEORIES NEED WARNING LABEL BY FRED SINGER The debate over
global warming has been more hype than solid fact.
========================Philip Morris
The Ozone Scare: Policy by Press Release
Date: 19920427/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144038.html
By S. Fred Singer
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144105.html
Philip Morris
Great Hoax on Asbestos Finally Ends
Date: 19921115/P
Length: 1 page
By Michael J. Bennett
Michael J. Bennett, journalist and author of "The Asbeslos Racket: An
Environmental Parable", is affiliated with the Washington-based
Science & Environmental Policy Project.
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Arlington, VA 22201 ·(703) 527-0130 · .
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144041.html
Philip Morris
Following Sheep Over the Edge
Date: 19920810/P
Length: 1 page
Following sheep over the edge By PATRICK J. MICHAELS
Michaels. associate professor of environmental sciences at the
University of Virginia. is associated witt the Science & Environmental
Policy Project, Washfngton, D.C.
========================Philip Morris
Meaner Growns the Greenery
Date: 19921209/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144010.html
Candace C Crandall is executive director of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project, which monitors the use of scientific
data in developing federal envi ronmental policy.
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Arlington, VA 22201 ·(703) 527-0130 · .
========================Philip Morris
Earth Summit Will Shackle the Planet, Not Save It
Date: 19920219/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144017.html
Mr. Singer, professor of atmospheric physics at the University of
Virginia, directs the Science and Environmental Policy Project in
Washington.
========================Philip Morris
N403
Date: 19950420/P
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2048551242.html
GOVERNMENTS,, particularly those in Asia, should rethink their
environment-related regulations to avoid the potentially damaging
effects of ill-advised envoronmental protection policies.
This call was made by Professor Fred Singer, director of the Science
and Environmental Policy Project in Washington, and Michael Fumento,
leading envirnmental journalist and lawyer for the United States
Commission on Civil Rights.
Prof. Singer said the US government, through the efforts of certain
lawmakers might back out this year from key international
environmental pacts...
========================Philip Morris
Scientific Myths Ride in on Hurricane Winds
Date: 19920920/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144018.html
The Science & Environmental Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003,
Adington, VA 22201 .(703) 527-0130
Scientific myths ride in on hurricane winds. By PATRICKJ, MICHAELS
Patrick J. Michaels is a professor of environmental sciences at the
University of Virginia, is affiliated with The Science and
Environmental Policy Project in Washington.
========================Philip Morris
Scientists Ripped As Alarmists in Ecology Warning
Date: 19921121/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144034.html
Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service. - - Appeared in: St. Louis
Post-Dispatch Washington Times and other newspapers
"It's the usual hype we've come to expect from the Union of Concerned
Scientists," said Candace Crandall, executive director of the Science
and Environmental Policy Project, a research group. ...
S. Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy
Project, said ... the group might have been trying to offset the
Heidelberg Allpeal, a statement signed by 1,800...
Singer said that the appeal amounted to a "revolt by scientists tired
of seeing science constantly politicized and mistreated."
========================Philip Morris
Date: 12 May 1993
Length: 2 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046989059-9060.html
The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition TASSC
Dr. Richard Lindzen Mass Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts
Avenue Bldg. 54-1720 Cambridge, MA 02139
========================Philip Morris
Date: Mar 1991 (est.)
Length: 6 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025528294-8299.html
3) Michael Gough, program manager for biological applications for the
Congressional Office of Technology Assessment -- Regarding the EPA's
lowering the confidence interval from 95 to 90 percent, Michael Gough
says, "You cannot run science with the government changing the rules
all the time. "
13) Dr. Fred Singer -- University of Virginia. Charged that the EPA-
supported theories of global warming and global ozone depletion are
not backed up by the scientific evidence. Has charged that several
major government studies that found information contrary to
"politically correct" issues (acid rain), was ignored. At a Consumer's
Research seminar in D.C. that dealt with official regulations
frequently have little basis in scientific fact, being instead driven
instead by political/social factors. "The tendency not only to misuse
science but to ignore it is very strong" in policy decisions
concerning global warming, ozone depletions, and acid rain. Has spoken
on issue of cost of other environmental problems. Singer was director
of the Washington Institute for Values in Public Policy, on leave from
Uva's department of environmental science.
26) Michael J. Bennett The Asbestos Racket: An Environment Parable
(Merrill Press) -- Bennett's meticulously researched saga of America's
plunge into the fantasy world of environmental junk science captures
the essence of the costly tragedy that befell the US during the great
asbestos scare. In formulating the nation's asbestos policy, the EPA,
aided and abetted by Congress, systematically ignored science. The
series of articles in the Detroit News on which much of the book is
based was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. (EPA Watch, July 31, 1992)
(202) 488-7692
29) Dr. Patrick Michael, Uva Dept of Environmental Science,
Climatologist, global warming issues are not backed by science, on
Board of Advisors of American Policy Center\EPA Watch (804) 924-0549,
co-authored an article with David E. Stooksbury, also of Uva.
30) Dr. Bruce Ames, Biochemist, University of California at Berkeley
(friend of Michael Bennett)
36) Jim Tozzi, Director of Washington-based Multinational Business
Services Inc., has cited problems with EPA risk assessment policy, in
particular, risk assessment guidelines for non-cancer health effects
and criteria for inferring causation from epidemiologic data. Tozzi's
firm represents a number of companies interested in the risk
assessment issue.
3 Richard Lindzen, Robert Balling, William Nierenberg, Fred Seitz,
Patrick Michaels, Fred Singer, Sherwood Idso -- scientists opposed to
global warming issues, as cited by Peter Samuel.
40) Michael Fumento of Investor Business Daily who does write about
these issues.
44) Candace Crandall -- Executive Vice President of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project (SEPP). She has published extensively on
junk science issues in the past. Crandall was the Director of
Communications for the Center for Strategic and International Studies
before joining SEPP. The primary focus of SEPP is to document the use
of scientific data in the development of federal environmental policy.
SEPP is an independent, non-profit research group that relies on
private funding. It will co-sponsor a conference with George Mason
University in May on scientific integrity in the political process.
Crandall has arranged for a number of prominent scientists to be
participants, including Dr. Bernard Davis of Harvard University and
Sir William Mitchell of Oxford University. Crandall is Dr. Fred
Singer's wife.
========================http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025802450-2451.html
Philip Morris
Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program
930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington,
D.C.
Date: 19930525/D
Length: 2 pages
========================Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
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Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.
========================Philip Morris
Fred Seitz
Date: 31 Aug 1989
Length: 1 page
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PHILIP MORRIS COMPANIES INC.
INTER-OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
120 PARK AVENUE, NEW YORK, NY 10017
TO: Bill Murray
FROM:Alexander Holtzman
Subject: Fred Seitz
DATE: August 31, 1989
I spoke to Bill Hobbs about arranging an appointment for you with Dr.
Fred Seitz, former head of Rockefeller University and the principal
scientific advisor to the R.J. Reynolds medical research program. Bill
told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational
to offer advice.
Bill said that he would strongly recommend your speaking to Dr. Alfred
G. Knudson Jr. of the CTR Scientific Advisory Board. I asked Bill to
proceed with arrangements to introduce you to Knudson and he said he
would do so and get back to you or me.
~ Alexander Holtzman
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